We are going to put Shaw New Horizon snap together laminate flooring in our kitchen. If luan plywood is warping, try using nails/screws and concrete adhesive to maintain the positioning of the luan underyment and prevent buckling of your finished floor. The floor is not level or square, built in the 70's. So is there any need to cover the sub floor before placing the carpet squares on it? out the sub floor will be smooth. The existing subfloor is t&g pine and is 1/4" below the addition subfloor. Introduction to Luan Plywood: ... however some believe this may make for a more unsightly project when the fasteners appear through the finished floor. Pass a carpenter’s level across the surface of the concrete floor to check for levelness. RetroJoe Member. It is only to be used when leveling an entire room, and remember level doesn't matter for a laminate floor anyway; only flatness; a sloped but flat floor is fine. Pull up the subfloor and sister new 2x8s to the joists but leveled instead of at an angle; Pull up the subfloor and then attach custom-cut wedges to lay on top of the joists correcting them to level. Look at the board where it touches the subfloor and see if there are any dips, bumps or otherwise uneven areas. When your floor rests on concrete, either on a ground-level slab or in a basement room, solid support is not the problem. Then you will need to let it dry before you do anything else with the floor. You'll need to know how to level a floor: Just sand any high spots and fill the low spots with leveling compound. October 30, 2017 at 10:09 pm. How forgiving is vinyl in regard to an unlevel subfloor? 14 thoughts on “ Floor Leveling Compound – The Home Flooring Pros Guide ” Jeff ahart. BTW, you do not necessarily need level, you need flat. If everything goes according to plan, Lincoln would have the biggest surprise of his life. The cost is approximately $30 a day. It's a bit confusing, but a flat floor can still be slightly out of level and still create a good foundation for a long-lasting floor installation. If I apply a layer of Redgard on top of that will it be ok to lay tile on that? Is this a reasonable solution? With this type of substance, you can apply it with a trowel and spread it evenly over the floor. Place the flat of the metal bar against the floor and then drag the bar across the surface. Along with the natural beauty, it’s why we choose it for our floors. Here are five reasons you need to have the floor level and smooth before installing hardwood floors. Simply get underneath the underlayment with the shovel and lift. Tear out the old vinyl and skim-coat the luan (if it can be salvaged). The materials and methods used in those early days can be a REAL challenge to undo because tile installers often went with the 'more is better' approach to insure a callback-free installation. The luan (or any underlayment), will only exacerbate existing humps and make them more apparent. Luan, the resident comedian, had been spending a few hours in Lincoln's bedroom, applying dozens of fireworks to Lincoln's door frame. The string does a better job of showing high and low areas across the whole floor. This idea worked great in this situation. Originating from southeast Asia, this plywood is useful for a variety of applications, including indoor home projects, floor underlayments and boat building. How to Level a Floor Underlayment. The floor may roll a marble and looks to slope now that the carpet has been removed. Using luan underlayment for basement ceiling #591453 02/04/10 08:49 PM 02/04/10 08:49 PM: Joined : Dec 2003 Posts: 175 Philly, PA. grossberg OP member grossberg OP member. Rutland Floor Level is a floor leveling compound in a premixed tub. Has anyone had any issues with this as a underlayment with non-glued laminate? I hope that doesn't screw things up. 1. Luan plywood is made from a tropical hardwood genus called Shorea. The floor may roll a marble and looks to slope now that the carpet has been removed. Spread the leveler over the floor with a trowel or a gauge rake so it covers each low area completely. It is better to attach luan plywood over the sub floor with ring shank nails. When it comes to Finishing When it comes to finishing luan plywood board, the best option is usually a dark stain and several coats of polyurethane clear finish will bring luan plywood to a high luster. If you're using luan to "level" a floor, you're making a mistake. I would go with another plywood that is birch like halex. If luan plywood is warping, try using nails/screws and concrete adhesive to maintain the positioning of the luan underyment and prevent buckling of your finished floor. The product will seek its own level (much like water), but it must be spread initially to cover the affected area and … The builders forgot some load points in this house along with some really bad crowned joists. At least it won't make you "dizzy". Luan and several other products, are very unstable and so we do not recommend them anywhere in a tile installation. If luan plywood is warping, try using nails/screws and concrete adhesive to maintain the positioning of the luan underyment and prevent buckling of your finished floor. Mark high and low spots. It goes by other names as well and is sometimes spelled lauan. I install vinyl flooring. And floor "leveler" compound is best used to just fill and smooth low spots on a given floor, not for the entire floor. Few aspects of a home elicit as much anxiety as a floor that out of level. Start in one corner of the room and lay a full sheet of luan perpendicular to the direction of the subfloor panels. Attached Files: floor level measurements.pdf File size: 427.9 KB Views: 24. When it comes to Finishing When it comes to finishing luan plywood board, the best option is usually a dark stain and several coats of polyurethane clear finish will bring luan plywood to a high luster. Lawrence October 12, 2009 at 11:43 am. If you have a large height difference in the floor, you may need to apply multiple layers of the self-leveling compound. It also has an R-value of 1.7 and can increase the temperature of a finished floor to 3.2°C (6˚F). Watch as the bar moves over the floor for any low points or rises in the concrete beneath. It also readily conducts cold from the soil below. Public Forums for the PRO, DIYer & Consumer, 35164902_10216642339475416_2545722718016241664_o.jpg, (You must log in or sign up to reply here. Before calling in a floor company or contractor to give you an estimate, determine which type of flooring problem you have. Once the underlayment is up, you'll need to treat the floor to get rid of the stickiness of the adhesive. The best option is to use ring shank nails which are made exclusively for this purpose. As far as I know, the only "advantage" of luan over other products is that it is usually cheaper. Laser Level Use . It is better to attach luan plywood over the sub floor with ring shank nails. Pour a generous amount of mixed leveler onto the subfloor, focusing on one or more wavy areas. I would say that your solution depends upon how far out of level your floor is, how dramatic the slope is, what type of flooring you are going to use and most importantly how much work you want to do. We've been told that laminate flooring requires the floor to be level but that vinyl flooring is more forgiving. Never cut the top of the door. I have been advised (by 3 different people) to solve the problem in 3 different ways: Screw down wire mesh straight to the existing linoleum and pour Self Leveling Compound to bring the slope level. thanks,Cher. If I get all the tack strips, staples, etc. Using floor patching compound to level a subfloor. I want to glue and screw 1/4" luan. Leave a 1/16 inch gap between the walls and the luan panel. Identify high and low spots. Can we use this as a underlayment? When it comes to Finishing When it comes to finishing luan plywood board, the best option is usually a dark stain and several coats of polyurethane clear finish will bring luan plywood to a high luster. Thoroughly vacuum the existing floor, and use a long floor leveler and tape measure to ensure the subfloor is level within 3/16 inch for every 10 feet. Since ceramic tile started to replace linoleum as bathroom and kitchen floor covering 20-25 years ago, many remodeling projects I encounter these days involve tearing up out-of-date ceramic tile. Yes.. definately the same OSB under the luan. A level subfloor is a requirement for almost any type of floor covering. You may want to rent a take-up or roofing shovel to assist with removing the luan. 1. With all the floors we replaced, we used a product called "sturdi-floor" that is 3/4" t&g plywood that is very flat and warp resistant. It will find the lowest areas of the floor and work to level out the subfloor. Raise the lower end of the level until the bubble is centered, then measure the distance from the bottom of the level to the floor to find the depth of the dip. Of course, as I mentioned, it depends on the existing floor and subfloors in your project. Nothice how many plys it has and full warranty too. How to install Dry Core Basement Subfloor (Luan) DRIcore Subfloor This an easy-to-install subfloor system designed for basements. But you have a bad subfloor to fix before you go further in the tile installation. RetroJoe, Jun 26, 2018 #8. To see if your floor … When your floor slopes from one end to the other end or has dips and sags, it is a frustrating, vexing problem that is difficult to make right again. this room looked crazy. First off, there is no such thing as a "level" floor (less than 1/4" in 10 feet) whether concrete or wood, old or new. Permalink. Group Moderator. Most subfloors will have low spots that require filling with floor patching compound. Seal the cracks and pour it on. They are easy to use. Step 2 Apply the Thin-Set Mortar. A laser level projects a perfectly level line across an entire room. At least it won't make you "dizzy". This video is meant to be a guide or for ideas. (The bottom of a hollow-core door can only be cut to a limited extent. And please forget you ever heard of OSB. How to Level a Subfloor for a Hardwood Floor Install. The plywood subfloor is in good condition. The floor can have an unlevel subfloor and still have a base for a nice laminate floor. Ceramic floor tiles, however, can be used 24 hours after the self-leveling compound was put on the subfloor. How to level a floor. No matter what kind of flooring you’re installing, it’s important to make sure the surface beneath it is level, smooth and flat. I have about 1" from the high point of the floor to the surface of the adjacent room's floor. Discussion in 'Floor Preparation' started by RetroJoe, Jun 25, 2018. However, concrete is porous and allows dampness to infiltrate. We are doing this in new construction to bring up the level of the floor to match the hardwoods. The cost is about $11 for 3.5lbs at Amazon and about $57 for a 25lb tub at Wal-Mart. It is great in one layer, but multiple layers may make a diaper sound Nail down floors like hardwood seem to work well with felt and shingles, and many pros use them in that scenario. this room looked crazy. I know it's strong enough as the same piano has been in this place previously. For small areas and thicknesses I use vinyl scraps (paper backed or inlaid materials) much the same way one would use shingles or felt. That is the tricky part over with. Depending on the existing floor if has 1/4" Masonite+1/8" vinyl tile on top of that I will add 1/4" laun plywood + 1/8" vinyl tiles. These hills and valleys will eventually lead to unwanted bouncy spots, squeaks and groans in the final laminate floor. An underlayment is placed between the sub-floor and the finished flooring and Luan can work just as good while also goes well with different floor finishes including carpet, vinyl and hardwood floors. Thanks. However, I walked on a floor with linoleum over luan over plywood once and it was a nightmare. Seal the cracks and pour it on. Cut First Leveling Strip. How forgiving is vinyl in regard to an unlevel subfloor? A Level Hardwood Floor Requires A Level Subfloor. The finished floor will be engineered floating wood. I was instructed by an ‘expert’ at home depot and i’m starting to think I should have gone with my gut and put in the hardie board instead of the luan. No matter what kind of flooring you’re installing, it’s important to make sure the surface beneath it is level, smooth and flat. My plan was to level the floor with some sort of self-levelling compound, screw down 3/4" plywood, then Ditra, then tile. How to level a floor. I've done it, it works, and it's a lot of work. At least one flooring contractor suggested folding over and layering roofing paper in the low area, then adding luan over that, before installing the new hardwood. Cut a leveling strip – a very long triangle – from a 2” x 10”. The same question would be over a slab floor what is the correct way to lay hardwood over slab? Hardwood floor installers often use the term “level” when referring to subfloors, when actually they are meaning the term “flat.” Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 175 Philly, PA: I have an "almost finished" basement with a very poorly installed suspended acoustical tile ceiling. An area of one room is unlevel in this 100+ year-old house. I hope you understand that flat is more important than level, unless you are using the room as a bowling alley or marbles tournaments. Along with the natural beauty, it’s why we choose it for our floors. In this video you'll see how you can do plywood subfloor leveling using the plywood sheets. It was been great and made putting down the underlayment much easier. I jacked up the house as much as I could and supported the load. We marked high and low spots using a non-scientific method, sharpie marker on the floor with the words … ). The scraps are from those jobs. Originating from southeast Asia, this plywood is useful for a variety of applications, including indoor home projects, floor underlayments and boat building. If you're going to use hardwood or a laminate floor and you don't have major issues with the floor, I suppose you could use the shingles, but I think a shingle would be a pretty thick shim. Mark these areas with a piece of chalk for leveling. Clean the floor with a wet-dry vacuum to remove any dust and debris. You can do this with an inexpensive line laser, but you'll get more accurate results with a rotary laser level, which you can rent from a rental center. Then it took less "mud" to smooth out. The spots in between the fasteners popped up with each step. Of course, as I mentioned, it depends on the existing floor and subfloors in your project. If needed, remove doors and use a circular saw to cut 1/8" above the level of where the finished floor will be. It's important to immediately wash the tools used in applying and smoothing out the self-leveling compound, otherwise these tools will permanently have the compound affixed to them. The toe kick(s) should be scribed to the finished floor. Can't return it as I had first purchased 1/4" luan and exchanged that for the 22/32 osb, so no more returns allowed. We've been told that laminate flooring requires the floor to be level but that vinyl flooring is more forgiving. Determine the angle of the slope and the amount using a string, line level and ruler. The best way to check a floor for general sloping is with a laser level. Hardwood is inflexible by nature. 3 Check for flatness and clean the slab. How to install Luan underlayment. I have about 1" from the high point of the floor to the surface of the adjacent room's floor. Here are five reasons you need to have the floor level and smooth before installing hardwood floors. If you wanna do the job right, go ahead and take that luan to the curb next garbage day. I try to use commercial inlaid material as these will compress less than felt. Thinset will bond to it tho. I'm not responsible for any failed installs - work at your own risk. I worked from 3 layers at the deep end up to one layer. Once I pull up the rest of the laminate near the cabinets ill see if the luan is installed under them. Before taking steps to level a floor, you must find out why it’s not level. Attach the string to the baseboard on one side of the room with a nail and stretch it to the opposite side. The panels are equipped with air gap technology to protect, insulate, and cushion finished floors. If the level isn't long enough, lay a flat board along the floor with a level on top. kwfloors said: ↑ Knowing what I know now, that's a floor for Uzin 172. When your floor slopes from one end to the other end or has dips and sags, it is a frustrating, vexing problem that is difficult to make right again. I used high quality construction adhesive I also added a few shims where I though might be needed. We tried out a ton of stain options on a test panel and landed on simple Watco Danish Oil in Medium Walnut, an authentic medium warm brown with minimal sheen. Raise the board until the level reads true, then measure from the dip in the floor to the bottom of the board. I used 2x4 only because the floor didn't have to come up that far. Sponsored Links #2 09-14-19, 02:38 PM P. Pilot Dane. Depending on the existing floor if has 1/4" Masonite+1/8" vinyl tile on top of that I will add 1/4" laun plywood + 1/8" vinyl tiles. 3) 30lb felt is 1/16" thick. I staked the thread so they wont back off as well. I don't know if they make luan thick enough to use as a subfloor. This is used to straighten up floors under vinyl floors or carpet floors. The floor is not level or square, built in the 70's. And floor "leveler" compound is best used to just fill and smooth low spots on a given floor, not for the entire floor. Few aspects of a home elicit as much anxiety as a floor that out of level. My question is, should I put some luan down over the sub floor first? We screwed a level guide board into our wall (the one on the floor in photos, I neglected to take a photo in process) for the sheets to rest on while we nailed them in place, and then removed that board/filled those holes. If you’ve just installed carpeting, your doors will probably rub and bind, which means that you have to trim off the bottoms. Most subfloors will have low spots that require filling with floor patching compound. Halex 1/4 … Before calling in a floor company or contractor to give you an estimate, determine which type of flooring problem you have. How to Bend Plywood. The other room I did I used 2x8s, glue and bolts with washers and nuts. The plywood subfloor is in good condition. The builders forgot some load points in this house along with some really bad crowned joists. We do not want to pull up the old floor and level … Thanks for watching :) :) :) I need to level the floor in order to put down hardwood as I will be using the space for my business. Luan isn't a good ulay for full spread vinyl. They have OSB top and polyethylene bottom. I have to level an existing subfloor to an addition. I have luan over the top of my 5’X5′ bathroom plywood floor. Since luan is not very heavy, it can be used as flooring even though by most it is considered a temporary flooring option. Self-leveling compounds can also remain glued on tools like the trowel and the bucket. Lay a long level "downhill" on the floor, with one end of the level on the level part of the floor and the other end at the lowest point. We did this two ways, first by dragging our 8 foot level across the floor to try to determine where the high and low spots were in local areas, and then by stretching a string across the whole floor, secured by a nail on each end. In one room that had a 3/4" slope i used 1/4" luan paneling to contour it flat. Second, a datum line needs to be set for counter top height based on the high point of the floor and then cabinets, and appliances, set accordingly (with shims or leveling legs/pedestals). Reply . Before taking steps to level a floor, you must find out why it’s not level. Long levels, lasers, and string all help. Their display says "no glue". Luan plywood is made from a tropical hardwood genus called Shorea. A Level Hardwood Floor Requires A Level Subfloor. Knowing what I know now, that's a floor for Uzin 172. Using floor patching compound to level a subfloor. It goes by other names as well and is sometimes spelled lauan. If the subfloor is that strong, use floor leveler to level the whole room. Hardwood is inflexible by nature. Screw down wire mesh straight to the existing linoleum and pour Self Leveling Compound to bring the slope level. The best option is to use ring shank nails which are made exclusively for this purpose. If it's grossly out of level, you may want to remove the subfloor and attach "sister joists" to the unlevel joists with carriage bolts, then build your new level subfloor atop the sisters, then the new floor on the subfloor. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. I'd recommend you consider just screwing down the subfloor nice and tight, using some "leveler" for low spots only, and just put on a nice new floor, off-level as it may be. Check the floor to make sure it's level using a leveling bar. I'd recommend you consider just screwing down the subfloor nice and tight, using some "leveler" for low spots only, and just put on a nice new floor, off-level as it may be. Hope your floor … Or, better yet, tear out everything - down to the sub-floor. Each firework was set to go off the moment that Lincoln walks into the room. Good work mapping out the flatness requirements on that PDF. To test for the flatness for laying laminate flooring on an uneven subfloor, lay a 10-foot long 2x4 board. To cut off a door without splintering the finish, use a guide and sharp blade in a circular saw, and deeply score the cut line with a utility knife. This was the final step in making correct. Laminate flooring on an uneven … My plan was to level the floor with some sort of self-levelling compound, screw down 3/4" plywood, then Ditra, then tile. Or, use a floor sander to smooth the edges of the luan. Measure the Drop. Luan, can be installed over solid, or smooth subfloors, like wood, or plywood, or concrete. Mix the floor leveling compound with water in a bucket, following the manufacturer's directions. As the subfloor in new construction, we have learned to live with it, but when remodeling or at any time you have a choice of products to use, choose plywood, not OSB. If it is I think I will lay luan down on the rest of the floor to build up to that level since the 1/4 inch luan nominal thicknes is really 3/16. We have luan flooring down right now and really don't want to go into the extra expense in putting down different underlayment. Step 1 dwsp307_4fa.
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